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Message 1789 - Posted: 6 Feb 2015, 15:06:03 UTC

Dear all,

to answer some questions raised several times.

We are working on a new version of the software that will allow volunteers having access to information about the executing WUs.

One of the feature will be do have a screensaver and/or page displaying events as they are produced. A preview of a typical view of event is attached. There are still issues with the various type of operating system used by volunteers and it might require a few more time of debugging unfortunately.

We would be very interested to know which informations volunteers would like to be displayed or having access to. Your inputs are more than welcome.

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https://atlasphysathome.web.cern.ch/content/looking-your-events

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Message 1791 - Posted: 7 Feb 2015, 3:57:23 UTC - in response to Message 1789.

Screensavers are ok if they actually show something that involves the project just to check once in a while but like most crunchers that have been doing this for a while NEVER use a screensaver.

Mine has been set to *Blank* since 1999 with Seti Classic.

Rather use the CPU's and GPU's to do work (and that current running through those cables that eventually makes it to these integrated circuits )

Not to mention I only use 2 monitors for 5 of my pc's (and 6 if the other one will come back to life) but then this laptop is an 8-core so it runs 7-8 tasks at the same time with its own screen........and me doing things like typing this
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Message 1797 - Posted: 8 Feb 2015, 0:05:09 UTC

I never use a screensaver either, preferring all the cpu power to be used for the working task at hand. But it would be interesting to hear from those that do use a screensaver.

Of interest perhaps is an analysis page perhaps like what is used by vLHC@home that shows data that has been generated by the individual user.

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Message 1804 - Posted: 8 Feb 2015, 14:48:22 UTC
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I also do not use a screensaver but on occasion I would like to a visual representation of what I am processing ... kind of cool to show others and try to get them interested ... even the few minutes it takes be to get to some of the excellent documentation at CERN is longer than most people will "wait", especially on a topic they may only be mildly interested in to begin with.

Start with a basic diagram of the ATLAS device itself and then overlay the positions / paths of the particles being simulated by a running WU. I'll leave it up to those more knowledgeable to pare down how much would be too much ... like what percent of a hadron shower can be displayed before it just becomes a smear/ noise on the screen?

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1. Select 2D or 3D display
2. Select which WU to review
3. Select which particle type(s) to be displayed
4.. Not sure ... maybe an overlay of the "model" or "average" ... leads us to believe we can "see" when our computer has identified something interesting :-)

Thanks for a great project,
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Message 1816 - Posted: 10 Feb 2015, 11:17:58 UTC
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I also vote for not introducing a screensaver. I think the percentage of CRT usage compared to LCD is already very low. And I fully support http://www.howtogeek.com/128644/htg-explains-why-screen-savers-are-no-longer-necessary/

Similar situation on my machine, the 3.5 TFlops computing power of my GPU I donate to GPUGRID, and not waste anything with screensavers.

What about introducing an overview like virtualLHC@home has it? A HTML5 page with some WU details, opens if you click in Boinc 'show graphics'

http://www.citizencyberscience.net/t4t-webapp-help/

Show some details about the WU, which particles are involved, energies, links to papers or projects the WU is related to...

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Message 1821 - Posted: 13 Feb 2015, 11:35:52 UTC
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Screensavers are ok if they actually show something that involves the project just to check once in a while but like most crunchers that have been doing this for a while NEVER use a screensaver.

Actually, looking through posts over the years in other BOINC projects, this opinion is quite split.

"Hardcore crunchers" say stuff like "This is just a waste of CPU and reduces my RAC" but a large amount of BOINC contributers say stuff like:

People come into my offlice, they see the BOINC screensaver and say "What is that?"
I explain about the BOINC project and show on the screen exactly what I am processing, they become excited and say "Ooh, can I contribute too"


The message boards at Rosetta@home, Einstein@home and SETI@Home say this over and again. A large amount of contributors like a real-time display of whats happening, and why.

Particularly liked are the screensavers where parts can be customised, such as the the background or logo images in SETI@Home, where a lot of contributors have made image files of "SETITEAM@OUROFFICE" type logos.

Yes please, think of a way where actual data can be dumped out of the VM system and used as a screensaver in the host; there are as many "science geeks" as there are "hardcore crunchers".

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Message 1822 - Posted: 13 Feb 2015, 19:06:08 UTC

Like all projects it would be nice to know if what we do is any help and if we get any good results, still.. we crush regardless :)

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Message 1824 - Posted: 15 Feb 2015, 10:48:56 UTC

Well, it would very nice to see a real time 3d animation of the running simulation. And it would nice to watch it on a second monitor next to doing anything else on the main monitor.

I think you'll get a lot of different opinions about screensavers. I don't have seen any screensavers running on PCs in the last years. Neither at work, friends, university, nor at public computers (library).

My reason to vote against a screensaver only visualization, is not the "waste of CPU/GPU" argument. BOINC tasks I anyway reduce when I use my home PC. But, if you have to enable a screensaver to see the nice task visualization, the machine is blocked.

That's why I like the way SETI at home did it. 15 years ago it had been visualized within a screensaver, now it supports both. Program window and screensaver.

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Message 1827 - Posted: 15 Feb 2015, 16:45:32 UTC

I don't use one. it's always set to blank. It goes on when I don't use the computer ... I am not there, so no use for something to look at.

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Message 1832 - Posted: 15 Feb 2015, 21:48:41 UTC - in response to Message 1821.

Screensavers are ok if they actually show something that involves the project just to check once in a while ...

Would love it


.. but like most crunchers that have been doing this for a while NEVER use a screensaver.

Not for me


"Hardcore crunchers" say stuff like "This is just a waste of CPU and reduces my RAC"

I'm a power cruncher, but I love real good screensavers


but a large amount of BOINC contributers say stuff like:
People come into my offlice, they see the BOINC screensaver and say "What is that?"
I explain about the BOINC project and show on the screen exactly what I am processing, they become excited and say "Ooh, can I contribute too"

Yes, this is what I would love to do


The message boards at Rosetta@home, Einstein@home and SETI@Home say this over and again. A large amount of contributors like a real-time display of whats happening, and why.

Particularly liked are the screensavers where parts can be customised, such as the the background or logo images in SETI@Home, where a lot of contributors have made image files of "SETITEAM@OUROFFICE" type logos.

Yes please, think of a way where actual data can be dumped out of the VM system and used as a screensaver in the host; there are as many "science geeks" as there are "hardcore crunchers".

This would also be fine

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Message 1844 - Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 20:32:10 UTC
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No screensaver for me.
Powercrunching on headless servers.

Please spend the time on making GPU's join the calculations :)

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Message 1970 - Posted: 15 Mar 2015, 1:28:33 UTC

I would like a screensaver that shows information and always useful also in school and work environments can create interest and curiosity

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Message 2643 - Posted: 6 Jul 2015, 15:25:06 UTC

Screensavers are kool. Definitely add one.

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Message 4617 - Posted: 28 Jun 2016, 0:21:13 UTC
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Bien sûr ce serait bien. Évidemment, une représentation de l'évènement considéré. L'image classique de la salle de contrôle, avec la luminosité, les détecteurs qui s'allument ... et le champ magnétique aussi.

Bien sûr si le truc travaille sur un event donné.
J'ai pas bien regardé, on sait ce que ça calcule ? Ça mouline le lagrangien du modèle standard pour reconstituer ce qui pourrait s'être passé ? Ça calcule quelques ensembles de diagrammes de Feynman ? Ou peut-être que ça travaille sur un ensemble d'évènements... ?

Bon de toute façon, des chiffres, des graphiques, du calcul formel, un mode verboseverbose, --vv :) !

D'ailleurs j'ai beau avoir pas mal regardé, j'ai pas vu si on peut avoir un accès public à quelques collisions récentes.

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Message 4618 - Posted: 28 Jun 2016, 19:27:08 UTC - in response to Message 4617.

(EDIT) Ah non, manifestement ce sont des simulations :)

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